Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 21:38:00 -0700 (MST)
From: snail@aztec.asu.edu (MIKE ROSS)
Subject: Re:THE putz - lets jail the putz - LeTs JaIl ThE pUtZ
To: *******************, ****************, snail
>My usual comment is: "Are we having fun yet?"
>
>You at least have access to checks, but no receipts to document them. ASH
>is a 501.3c non-profit corp, so there might be some legal, Corp Commission,
>way to force an audit of Paul. You're right on target to hold the feet to
>the old fire, but I know from last year they can wriggle out of the way with
>impunity.
anybody can get the police involved.
even at this point in time all it takes is a call to the pigs saying that paul has committed crimes and they are involved.
first their are 2 issues involved here.
but the pigs can be called anytime by anyone. be it an ash member, former ash member, or just concerned citizen not wanting paul to get away with stealing money from ash.
last the ash bylaws say that the treasures serves at the presidents request. the by laws also says the newsletter editor serves at the presidents request. i fired paul from his duties of treasurer and newsletter editor in an e-mail. and since he continued spending money i suspect that would be criminal too. (the letter is on the web page)
and if anybody wants to get the cops involved ill be glad to help by providing all the inportant information and details. i would love to see paul putz's ass strung up for stealing ash money which from the checks it looks like he did.
but paul putz and linda chapman effectively hijacked ash because they had control of the bank account and membership list.
but this is not a criminal case. its just a civil case. if you call the cops and mike says i own ash while paul and linda say they own ash. the cops are going to leave and say fight it out in the courts.
at the time the money in the ash bank account would have gotten me 3 hours of legal advice so i didnt hire a lawyer with the loot. and since i was in tucson i didnt sue them on my own.
i may ask craig bolten to volenteer to be ash's lawyer for free, but craigs law firm is breaking up and things are fucked up for him (craig is the lawyer who spoke at 2 ash meeting, i think grey saw his thomas paine talk)
the reason they "wriggle out of the way with impunity." last year was because i didnt press the issue. i suspect if i went to the courts i would have won - simply because they did not follow the rules defined in the ash bylaws.
>
>Nobody really gives a "flying rat's ass" (or some such mixture of metaphors)
>about ASH. As Mike & I learned last year, once they have a majority of votes
>on the Board, nothing said will matter. I played with them over the meaning
>of the single word "maximum" to raise a "point of order" that the Board was
>not legally elected according to the Bylaws. But, that's another story.
>
>Now there is a story from another non-profit group (Phoenix chapter, Data
>Processing Management Assoc. vs. Tom Morrissey), a few years ago, where the
>Treasurer embezzled maybe 5K, and they went to court and the guy has,
>sometimes, been paying $75/month in restitution. I can did up details if you
>are interested.
>
>Now, the question about Paul sending me a "bashing email" is interesting.
>Most of what Paul sent me was bashing, so do you have more details? I'd have
>to dig into my zips to see if I even kept any of that old history. Why waste
>my disk bytes on saving shit?
>
>Maybe you'd like to call me directly and we can talk - 480-990-1769.
>
>Sounds like the old ASH battle is heating up again. Good Luck, I had none.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
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>Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2000 9:13 AM
>Subject: Re: ???Marie Callendar Brunch
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>
>> I am looking over the checks Mr. Putz, the putz, writes to himself. Mike
>> tries to ascertain thsat this check paid that and that check to himself
>was
>> for that. Paul is an ignorant putz. He can not prove he paid for anything
>> unless he can show a receipt for the service. Mike wants to bring him to
>> court or at least to deposition.Mike says Paul wrote a bashing letter to
>you.
>> I would like to see a copy of the letter so I could get around any legal
>> defense he would have from any libel or slander liability coverage. I
>would
>> like to aggressively come out and nail tthis scvofflaw and Linda C.. They
>> act with impunity. I would like to help Mike all I can to accomplish
>Mike's
>> goal. Bill Evans ****************
>>
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty " Thomas Jefferson